Filed by Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc.
                          Pursuant to Rule 425 under the Securities Act of 1933

                                        Subject Company:  Neuberger Berman Inc.
                                                  Commission File No. 001-15361

                                                       Date: September 24, 2003

The attached document contains forward-looking statements within the meaning
of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking
statements include, but are not limited to, (i) statements about the benefits
of the acquisition of Neuberger Berman by Lehman Brothers, including financial
and operating results, synergy benefits and any accretion to reported earnings
that may be realized from the acquisition; Lehman Brothers' and Neuberger
Berman's plans, objectives, expectations and intentions and other statements
contained in this presentation that are not historical facts; and (ii) other
statements identified by words such as "expects," "anticipates," "intends,"
"plans," "believes," "seeks," "estimates" or words of similar meaning. These
forward-looking statements are based upon management's current beliefs or
expectations and are inherently subject to significant business, economic and
competitive uncertainties and contingencies and third-party approvals, many of
which are beyond our control. The following factors, among others, could cause
actual results to differ materially from those described in the
forward-looking statements: (1) whether the stockholders of Neuberger Berman
approve the proposed transaction; (2) the satisfaction of the other conditions
specified in the merger agreement, including without limitation the receipt of
required governmental and other third-party approvals of the proposed
transaction; (3) the ability to successfully combine the businesses of Lehman
Brothers and Neuberger Berman; (4) the realization of revenue and cost synergy
benefits from the proposed transaction; (5) operating costs, customer loss and
business disruption following the merger, including adverse effects on
relationships with employees; (6) changes in the stock market and interest
rate environment that affect revenues; and (7) competition. Lehman Brothers
and Neuberger Berman do not undertake any obligation to update any
forward-looking statement to reflect circumstances or events that occur after
the date such forward-looking statement is made.

The attached document shall not constitute an offer of any securities for
sale. The proposed transaction will be submitted to Neuberger Berman's
stockholders for their consideration. Lehman Brothers filed a Registration
Statement on Form S-4, which contains a proxy statement/prospectus, with the
Securities and Exchange Commission ("SEC") on September 17, 2003. The
Registration Statement may be amended from time to time. Stockholders of
Neuberger Berman are urged to read the Registration Statement and proxy
statement/prospectus contained within it and any other relevant materials
filed by Neuberger Berman or Lehman Brothers with the SEC because they
contain, or will contain, important information about Neuberger Berman, Lehman
Brothers and the transaction. Neuberger Berman stockholders may obtain a free
copy of the Registration Statement and proxy statement/prospectus and other
documents filed by Lehman Brothers and Neuberger Berman with the SEC at the
SEC's Internet site (http://www.sec.gov/). Copies of these documents also can
be obtained, without charge, from Lehman Brothers, Investor Relations, 745
Seventh Avenue, New York, New York 10019 (212-526-3267) or Neuberger Berman,
Corporate Communications, 605 Third Avenue, New York, New York 10158
(212-476-8125).

Lehman Brothers, Neuberger Berman and their respective directors and executive
officers may be deemed to be participants in the solicitation of proxies from
the stockholders of Neuberger Berman in connection with the proposed
transaction. Information about the directors and executive officers of Lehman
Brothers is set forth in the proxy statement on Schedule 14A, dated February
28, 2003, for Lehman Brothers' 2003 annual meeting of stockholders.
Information about directors and executive officers of Neuberger Berman and
their ownership of Neuberger Berman common stock is set forth in the proxy
statement on Schedule


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14A, dated April 16, 2003, for Neuberger Berman's 2003 annual meeting of
stockholders. Additional information regarding participants in the proxy
solicitation may be obtained by reading the proxy statement/prospectus
regarding the proposed transaction.

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The following is the transcript of a presentation made by David Goldfarb,
Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President of Lehman Brothers on
September 24, 2003 at a conference call for investors:

Coordinator:   Good morning and thank you all for holding. Welcome to Lehman
               Brothers third quarter earnings conference call. At this time
               all participants will be able to listen only until the question
               and answer session of the conference. Also, today's call is
               being recorded. If you have any objections, you may disconnect
               at this time. I would now like to turn the call over to Ms.
               Shaun Butler, Director of Investor Relations. Thank you, ma'am,
               you may begin.

S. Butler:     Thank you all for joining us this morning. Before we begin, let
               me point out that this presentation contains forward-looking
               statements. These statements are not guarantees of future
               performance. They only represent the firm's current
               expectations, estimates, and projections regarding future
               events. The firm's actual results and financial condition may
               differ, perhaps materially, from the anticipated results and
               financial condition in any such forward-looking statement.
               These forward-looking statements are inherently subject to
               significant business, economic, and competitive uncertainties
               and contingencies, and in the case of pending acquisitions,
               certain conditions and third party approval, many of which are
               difficult to predict and beyond our control.

               For more information concerning the risks and other factors
               that could affect the firm's future results and financial
               conditions, see management's discussion and analysis of
               financial condition and results of operation in the firm's most
               recent annual report to shareholders and quarterly report on
               Form 10-Q. For more information concerning the risks and other
               factors that could affect the pending combination with
               Neuberger Berman, read the registration statement and the proxy
               statement/prospectus and any other relevant documents filed
               with the SEC that may become available, as well as any
               amendments or supplements to these documents. You will be able
               to obtain a free copy of the proxy statement/prospectus, as
               well as other filings containing information about Lehman
               Brothers and Neuberger Berman, at the SEC's Internet site,
               www.sec.gov.

               This presentation contains certain non-GAAP financial measures.
               Information relating to these non-GAAP financial measures can
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               found under selected statistical information in this morning's
               earnings press release, which has been posted on the firm's Web
               site, www.lehman.com.

               Let me now turn the call over to Dave Goldfarb, our Chief
               Financial Officer.

D.Goldfarb:    Good morning, and thank you for joining our third quarter
               earnings discussion and business update. Today I will review
               our excellent financial performance for the quarter, provide
               you with a brief outlook for the remainder of 2003, and then
               turn the session over to questions.

               Clearly, we began to see an improvement in both the overall
               market environment as well as the macro economy last quarter.
               These trends continued to pick up steam during the current
               quarter. The U.S. equity markets hit a 14-month high in August
               as GDP growth, corporate profitability, manufacturing indexes,
               and capital spending all improved. Monetary and fiscal policy
               provided additional stimulus in the form of a 25 basis point
               rate cut and the positive impact of recent tax policy changes,
               both with the objective of encouraging more rapid growth in the
               U.S.

               Europe seemed to follow the U.S. lead in terms of monetary
               policy, as both the EBC and the Bank of England reduced
               interest rates. European economic growth, however, continued to
               significantly trail U.S. levels with three of Europe's major
               economies, Germany, Italy, and Netherlands, all in recession.
               However, anticipation of stronger U.S. growth prompted the
               major European equity indexes to rally on the prospect of an
               export-driven recovery.

               Over the course of the quarter the Asian markets exhibited the
               strongest equity gains, particularly in Japan, where stronger
               GDP growth, increased corporate profitability, central bank
               focus on deflation, and progress in bank reform caused the
               Nikkei to soar over 30% off the 20-year low it had set in
               April. Although the global economic picture slowly improved,
               the market continued to face challenges, as treasury curves
               steepened in the U.S. and Japan on the prospect of stronger
               economic growth with no further central bank action and bond
               market volatility soared.

               U.S. and European equity volumes diminished in the usual
               seasonal slowdown we see every August, despite high valuations.
               This is not the case in Asia, where trading volumes remained
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               In investment banking the picture was mixed, but the overall
               outlook began to show slight improvement over the course of the
               quarter. M&A completions remained extremely weak, although the
               pace of announcement slowly picked up as the quarter
               progressed.

               Equity origination activity increased significantly to the
               highest volumes since the second quarter of 2002. Issuance was
               concentrated in secondaries and convertibles, while IPO volume
               remained very light. In debt origination, volume continues to
               be strong, although high-grade volume slowed somewhat from the
               2003 peak levels due to the rise in treasury yields. High-yield
               volume continued to grow as credit concern subsided, and
               quarterly issuance hit its highest level since 1998. Overall,
               market dynamics in the third quarter continued to improve, but
               we still have to make further headway in order to get back to a
               more normalized operating environment for equity origination
               and M&A.

               Given the strength and focus of our diversified businesses,
               we're able to leverage this economic and market improvement and
               translate it into extremely strong financial results.
               Consequently, Lehman Brothers reported another outstanding
               quarter. For the quarter we posted net revenues of $2.347
               billion, an all-time record for the firm, and our second
               consecutive quarter of record revenues, which is surely a
               testimony to the strength of our franchise. This level
               represents an impressive 74% increase over the prior year's
               period and a 2% improvement over last quarter's strong
               revenues. In fact, capital markets and investment banking, as
               well as Europe and Asia, all posted their highest quarterly
               revenues of the year. Within capital markets we realized our
               fourth consecutive quarter of record revenues in fixed income.

               This continued and significant growth in our top line
               demonstrates the firm's ability to leverage any improvement in
               the broader markets into revenue opportunities, particularly in
               the capital market businesses where we've achieved significant
               scale and breadth in our client-driven business platform. We
               reported net income of $480 million for the quarter, which is
               an increase of 147% year-over-year, and an increase of 10% over
               second quarter net income, which included a $45 million
               after-tax real estate charge. Our EPS was $1.81, representing a
               159% increase over the prior year's period. Our pre-tax
               operating margin was 31.9% and our return on equity was 20.7%,
               surpassing last quarter's strong performance and representing
               an important breakthrough to the


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               pre-tax and ROE metrics we were able to achieve two years ago
               when the equity and M&A markets were far stronger.

               As you can imagine, we are extremely pleased with these
               results, especially given the continued challenges facing the
               global economy. Our strong returns throughout the cycle
               underscore the resiliency, as well as the depth and breadth of
               our business platform, and again demonstrates the strength [of
               the] revenue generating capabilities of our customer and
               client-based business models across all market cycles. The
               record revenues we've reported today are a clear confirmation
               of the tremendous progress we've realized in our competitive
               position as we continue to significantly raise our productivity
               and the overall earnings capacity of the firm.

               With that as an overview, let me review our results by
               segments. First, in capital markets, which captures our
               institutional and customer flow activities, our revenues
               totaled a record $1.67 billion for the quarter, an increase of
               129% over the third quarter of 2002 and up approximately 2%
               versus the extremely robust second quarter of this year. These
               results reflect exceptional strength in fixed income and an
               ongoing improvement in equity market conditions. Among the
               trends that typify the quarter were significant asset
               reallocations from cash to equities, asset allocations between
               various fixed income products in response to the backup in
               treasuries and duration extension, and hedge adjustments by
               investors, as volatility in fixed income and a need to protect
               on the downside in equities prompted an increased use of
               derivatives. Given the scale of our customer businesses, these
               asset reallocations led to record volumes as we saw our
               institutional sales volume jump 8% in the quarter from the
               already strong levels we posted last quarter.

               Our pre-tax profit in capital markets increased to $593
               million, demonstrating the upsurge in activity this quarter,
               along with a continued shift into high yielding products that
               tend to generate higher margins. Our fixed income capital
               markets businesses had outstanding results, producing their
               fourth consecutive record rev[enue] quarter with $1.2 billion
               of net revenues, a slight increase over last quarter, but a
               125% increase over last year's third quarter, when the markets
               were plagued with widening credit spreads and record defaults.

               As I mentioned before, the spike in the 10-year treasury,
               duration extension, and extremely high volatility drove record
               trading volume, as investors transitioned between asset classes
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               compelled to engage in more dynamic hedging. This manifested
               itself in record customer-driven volumes and strong performance
               in virtually every asset class in our highly diversified fixed
               income division with significant gains in interest rate
               derivatives, mortgages, high-yield, and municipals. In addition
               to seeing these record flows, we continue to broaden the
               breadth of our fixed income franchise, increasing the number of
               active clients by over 4% in the current quarter. One area of
               particular strength was interest rate derivatives, where the
               volatility drove active hedging and the increases in treasury
               mortgage rates for significant adjustments among duration
               hedgers. The steepness of the yield curve prompted a heavy
               usage of interest rate swaps and the periodic spikes in swap
               rates also led to portfolio adjustments among LIBOR-based
               investors.

               We also saw continued strength in mortgages this quarter. The
               origination market remained active. Refinancings hit their peak
               in June, setting up a strong forward calendar of
               securitizations which, for us, on the residential side, totaled
               $23 billion. Increasing rates caused average duration to extend
               from under one year to over three years. In the secondary
               markets, this shift attracted a whole new set of investors to
               mortgage assets, leading to heavy activity.

               Our desire to take advantage of current rates also produced
               significant CMBS volume in the quarter, and Lehman led
               transactions with a total volume of $2.6 billion. Keep in mind
               this is now a global market, and over the course of the quarter
               we've structured CMBS transactions in Japan for Daito in an
               apartment loan-backed MBS transaction and completed a real
               estate securitization for Japan's Resolution and Collection
               Corporation. We also arranged the first-ever Swiss CMBS
               transaction in conjunction with PSP Swiss Properties.

               Given the significant tightening in credit spreads, stronger
               origination activity, and the search for incremental yields,
               high-yield debt enjoyed very strong results in the quarter as
               well. This was bolstered by positive fund inflows for much of
               the quarter and an improved credit environment.

               In municipals, state and local deficits drove a strong issuance
               calendar, and the increased supply bolstered secondary market
               activity and caused rates to back up. Consequently, investor's
               demand for municipals also improved as these securities became
               attractive from a relative value perspective.


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               Moving on to equity capital markets, our institutional revenues
               total $476 million, an increase of 138% over the third quarter
               of 2002, and a 6% increase versus the trailing quarter. As I
               noted before, global equity markets rose during the quarter to
               their highest levels in more than a year. Quarterly trading
               volumes initially rose and then slumped to the lowest levels of
               the year with the seasonal August slowdown. Nevertheless,
               confidence improved in the marketplace, as improving corporate
               fundamentals, coupled with a rise in the equity benchmarks, and
               five positive months of fund inflows forced the long-only
               investors back into the market as they sought to outperform the
               broader indexes. This extended beyond the U.S. to include
               Europe and, particularly, Japan, where the jump in the Nikkei
               produced a significant influx of foreign investors to that
               market. Consequently, the overall tone of the global cash
               market has improved, and we saw a corresponding increase in
               customer commissions over second quarter levels.

               Equity derivatives experienced a stronger quarter on the basis
               of a higher level of customer activity as clients increased
               their use of structured hedging products such as options,
               warrants, and equity-linked notes to hedge their downside
               risk or reduce concentrations. The customer flow activity
               associated with the Russell rebalance and our enhanced
               automated market making and statistical arbitrage capabilities
               also served to bolster results.

               Moving on to investment banking, our net revenues were $453
               million, the strongest revenues we've had in this business all
               year, representing an 8% increase year-over-year and a 6%
               improvement over last quarter. Our pre-tax profit in this
               segment was $96 million, reflecting our high level of fee
               revenues, with an improved contribution from equity
               underwriting and a mix shift from high-grade to high-yield
               origination that also strengthened margins. We posted M&A
               advisory revenues of $102 million, down 13% year-over-year but
               an increase of 10% compared to the trailing quarter.
               Industrywide M&A volumes remained sluggish, with completed
               transaction volumes down 24% versus the year earlier period,
               and realizing an 18% decline from the already depressed second
               quarter levels.

               In equity underwriting our revenues were $119 million, up 28%
               versus the third quarter 2002, and an increase of 59% over the
               second quarter this year, as our market volumes rose to their
               highest levels since the second quarter of 2002.


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               Our quarterly lead manage origination volume totaled $5 billion
               and remained heavily concentrated in secondaries and
               convertibles, which is consistent with our view toward the
               necessity of corporate re-equitization and the desire of
               companies to monetize their core shareholdings in the current
               environment. This pattern was truly global in nature, and over
               the course of the quarter we completed significant transactions
               for clients in Japan, Korea, Spain, and Italy. The IPO market
               slowly reopened in the quarter and we successfully launched
               transactions for Netgear and Texas Capital Bancshares.

               Our fixed income underwriting revenues during the quarter
               totaled $232 million, up 12% year-over-year, but down 10% from
               the very robust second quarter levels. Although high-grade
               credit spreads tightened by 12 basis points over the course of
               the quarter, the spike in the 10-year treasury, a temporary
               widening of spreads, and record volatility slowed the pace of
               issuance. Our lead manage issuance exceeded $18 billion for the
               quarter, and much of that was swapped into floating rates to
               take advantage of the steep yield curve.

               Fundamentals in the high-yield market continue to improve, as
               credit spreads tightened a further 143 basis points, reflecting
               investors' demand for high yielding products and a general
               improvement in credit quality, as demonstrated by lower default
               rates. For the quarter we led managed a total of $2.9 million
               of issuance, including significant transactions for PG&E,
               United Components, and Williams Company.

               It's important to note that we continue to make considerable
               progress in our investment banking franchise, most evidently in
               our market share and equity and underwriting, which continues
               to improve. Our financial sponsor practice has continued to be
               a mainstay of investment banking activity where, in this
               quarter alone, we advised Carlyle in their acquisition of the
               automotive parts business of UIS, we brought a secondary
               offering for Carlysle's portfolio company, United Defense, and
               we joint led a senior note issuance for Qwest Dex, a portfolio
               company of Welsh, Carson and Carlysle. We also advised on
               Madison Dearborn's purchase of Williams Energy Partner.

               Our third segment, client services, delivered revenues of $227
               million, up 14% versus the year earlier period and essentially
               flat to last quarter. Our pre-tax profitability in this segment
               was $60 million. These results were driven by our high net
               worth distribution business, which produced the third best
               quarter ever.


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               Sales of equity products to our net worth clients increased 15%
               versus second quarter levels as market sentiment continued to
               improve. The fixed income component of our high net worth
               business also held at near record levels, with volumes slightly
               down from the record we posted last quarter. As a result,
               productivity held very stable, at a very robust $2 million per
               broker.

               Those are our results by business segment. Now I'll briefly
               review the results in our non-U.S. operations. For the quarter,
               our international revenues accounted for 35% of firmwide
               revenues as both regions experienced significant improvements
               over the prior periods. In Europe our results were particularly
               strong in equities as higher valuation prompted a stronger pace
               of activity in the cash markets. We also saw stronger
               performance in equity and interest rate derivatives due to
               higher volatility in both markets. In investment banking we
               gained market share in both debt and equity originations over
               the prior year.

               As I noted before, in Asia we realized our strongest quarter
               ever as our revenues more than doubled from second quarter
               levels. The Asian markets rallied on significant volatility,
               which benefited our equity derivative customer-driven business.
               The rapid back up in JGB yields prompted an increasing use of
               interest rate derivatives as clients sought to hedge their
               exposures. In investment banking we realized a significant
               improvement in market share in all products. For the quarter,
               we achieved far stronger results than we've seen in some time
               in both Europe and Asia.

               Moving briefly to expenses, we have continued our disciplined
               approach to expense management, which is one of our core
               competencies. For the quarter we recorded a comp and benefit
               ratio of 50%, slightly less than the compensation ratio we have
               previously posted. Our headcount increased to approximately
               14,500 by quarter's end. In addition to our normal seasonal
               increase in the new class of analysts and associates, we also
               acquired another residential mortgage originator, which added
               to our total. Like our transaction with Aurora last quarter, we
               believe that this acquisition adds long-term value to our
               mortgage franchise by allowing for further vertical integration
               through the sourcing of product for our securitization
               pipeline.

               For the quarter, our non-personnel expenses totaled $424
               million, an increase of 2% over second quarter levels. Variable
               expenses related to brokerage clearance and exchange fees
               increased due to the significant expansion of fixed income
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               the areas of derivatives, structured credit trading, and
               futures. Expense management remains a significant focus at
               Lehman and we continue to exert strict control over our
               non-personnel expenses as we constantly strive to make our
               expense base as efficient as possible.

               Taking all this into account, we recorded a pre-tax margin of
               32% for the quarter. Our tax rate was 33.4%, slightly higher
               than in previous quarters due to the higher level of pre-tax
               income and the diminished impact of tax preference items
               relative to this higher base. We also needed to true up our tax
               rate to accrue it to an approximate 30.5% annual rate, which we
               expect for the full year given the higher level of pre-tax
               income we are reporting. Net income was $480 million for an
               annualized ROE of 20.7%.

               These are terrific results which clearly demonstrate the
               diversity, scale, and capability of our franchise across
               products, clients, and regions. These record revenues are a
               clear indication of the value of our customer flow business,
               which has performed strongly throughout the cycle as our
               institutional and high net worth clients continue to transition
               between asset classes and look to preserve their performance by
               hedging their risks.

               While we are pleased to report significant revenue increases in
               virtually all our business segments this quarter versus the
               sequential period, we are particularly mindful of the
               improvement in equity origination and sales and trading because
               we believe this to be the business with the strongest potential
               for growth in the coming quarters.

               Let me make a few comments about our balance sheet and risk.
               During the quarter we increased our equity base by 7% and ended
               the period with stockholder's equity of $10.3 billion and total
               capital of approximately $53 billion.* Our net leverage, and by
               that I mean assets less the matchbook divided by equity and
               trust issued securities, was 16.8 times* lower than in our
               established

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*    The following presents, for total capital and net leverage, the most
     directly comparable financial measure calculated and presented in
     accordance with GAAP and a reconciliation of the differences between the
     non-GAAP financial measure with the most comparable financial measure or
     measures calculated and presented in accordance with GAAP. This note was
     not a part of Mr. Goldfarb's oral remarks.

     At August 31, 2003, long-term debt was $41.8 billion, total stockholders'
     equity was $10.3 billion and trust issued securities subject to mandatory
     redemption were $1.0 billion. Total capital includes long-term debt,
     total stockholders' equity and trust issued securities subject to
     mandatory redemption. The Company believes total capital is useful to
     investors as a measure of the Company's financial strength.

     At August 31, 2003, total assets were $295.0 billion and matched book was
     $105.0 billion; total leverage (total assets divided by total
     stockholders' equity) was 28.7 times. Net leverage is defined as total
     assets excluding matched book divided by total stockholders' equity plus
     trust issued securities subject to mandatory redemption. The Company
     believes total stockholders' equity plus trust issued securities subject
     to mandatory redemption to be a more meaningful measure of the Company's
     equity for purposes of calculating net leverage. Matched book represents
     securities purchased under agreements to resell ("reverse repos") to the
     extent such balance is less than securities sold under agreements to
     repurchase. Certain rating agencies consider such reverse repos to be a
     proxy for matched book assets, as such assets are considered to have a
     low risk profile, and exclude such amounts in the calculation of
     leverage. Accordingly, the Company believes the ratio of total assets
     excluding matched book to total stockholders' equity and trust issued
     securities subject to mandatory redemption is useful to investors as a
     more meaningful measure of the Company's leverage.



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               targets. Our [debt] was essentially flat to last quarter's
               levels and from a rating agency perspective, Moody's placed us
               on review for possible upgrade and S&P raised its outlook on
               our A credit rating to stable from negative, both positive
               developments from a funding and counterparty perspective.
               Lastly, over the course of the quarter, we repurchased a total
               of 4.3 million shares at an average price of $67.26.

               Let me briefly highlight what we have accomplished this quarter
               in terms of building the franchise for the long term to better
               position ourselves for even better core cycle performance. To
               this end, over the course of the quarter, we announced or made
               several acquisitions, both large and small. We made a series of
               great hires and we continue to grow organically by attracting
               an extremely talented group of new analysts and associates to
               the firm. By far our most significant announcement over the
               period was an agreement to acquire Neuberger Berman. We
               announced this transaction in July and expect to close sometime
               during our fourth quarter. This is a great transaction for the
               firm and one that is well aligned with our strategic and
               financial objectives.

               We believe the Neuberger combination will do the following:
               transform our high net worth client platform into one of the
               leaders in the industry, bring our scale in this business to a
               whole new level, and give us increased revenue diversification,
               less revenue to volatility, and an incremental source of high
               and sustainable margin. We're very pleased with the response to
               the transaction which we are receiving from Neuberger's
               employees and clients.

               To ensure seamless integration, we've assigned a large number
               of Lehman and Neuberger people to a total of 25 teams. We've
               also seen a number of inquiries occurring between the two
               platforms,


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               which bodes very well for cross-selling opportunities upon
               closing. So we are very pleased with the progress we have made
               to date towards this combination and Neuberger's assets into
               management continue to grow and are currently approximately $66
               billion.

               Last week we announced a smaller transaction, the acquisition
               of Crossroads Group, a manager of approximately $2 billion in a
               family of private equity funds. This is a meaningful
               acquisition for our private equities division which would bring
               our assets under management under private equity to
               approximately $7 billion.

               In addition to these transactions, we've continued to attract a
               number of experienced senior people to our business. During the
               quarter we recruited a new global head of equity trading, a new
               global head of the healthcare investment banking group, and in
               Japan, a new head of equity cash and program trading. In Europe
               we continue to add in areas such as foreign exchange and equity
               derivatives and we named our first non-U.S. director to our
               board of directors, Christopher Gent, the former CEO of
               Vodaphone. So we continue to make great progress in bolstering
               our competitive positions.

               Before we go to questions let me briefly discuss our outlook
               for the coming months. Clearly, activity within our industry
               remains highly linked to global economic growth both in banking
               and in capital markets. Our expectation is for the U.S. GDP to
               increase by approximately 5% in the third quarter, 3.5% in the
               fourth quarter, and approximately 3.6% next year. We anticipate
               positive but much more moderate rates of growth in Europe, but
               have revised our growth expectations for Japan upward to 2% for
               the fourth quarter and for 2004.

               Given the fragile nature of the recovery, we expect fiscal and
               monetary policy to remain supportive. Despite the recent jump
               in rates, we expect the interest rate picture to remain fairly
               benign. In fact, we expect an additional 50 basis points in
               rate cuts from the ECB and we don't anticipate any rate
               increases from the Fed until September 2004 at the earliest.

               Under these interest rate scenarios we anticipate global fixed
               income issuance, which includes governments, agencies,
               corporates, municipals, mortgages, and asset-backed's, to reach
               a record of $8.7 trillion in 2003. In our initial bottoms-up
               analysis we are projecting 2004 origination to drop
               approximately 10% with the weaker mortgage and high-grade
               origination partly offset


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               by higher levels of sovereign, high-yield, and asset-backed
               offerings.

               In terms of fixed income capital markets, fundamentals remain
               in place for a continued strength in our customer franchise.
               Globally, fixed income has grown approximately 40% since 1999
               to a market size of over $17 trillion on the basis of this
               intermediation, newer asset classes, and structural change.
               Given the sheer size and diversity of this marketplace and the
               natural flow of cash and coupons inherent to these securities,
               it is our strong view that the baseline level of fixed income
               flows has permanently increased well beyond what we've seen in
               the past.

               It is important to note that interest rates are not the only
               driver of fixed income activity, just as we saw this past
               quarter. Even more important drivers have been the high degree
               of volatility present in the fixed income markets today, the
               shape of the yield curve, and the general improvements in
               credit quality and credit spreads. These factors that determine
               which asset classes dominate client portfolios and how they are
               hedged had a significant impact on our third quarter trading
               volumes and these factors are also key determinants in terms of
               trading activity for the current quarter and for next year.
               Consequently, our overall outlook in fixed income remains very
               positive.

               In equities our outlook has also become more positive, although
               we remain in the early stages of a recovery. Equity fund flows
               have been positive for five months in a row, generating
               stronger activity from the long-only investors in a market
               that had been largely dominated by hedge funds. With market
               appreciation and diminished volatility, the equity origination
               markets have become more active and volumes increased fairly
               significantly over the course of the quarter until we hit the
               August slowdown.

               Underwriting activity has been heavily dominated by secondaries
               and convertibles, consistent with the de-leveraging thesis we
               have put forward in the past. We continue to see issuance
               increasingly use shelf registrations to execute overnight deals
               or accelerated book builds, which have tended to understate the
               pipeline data. However, despite the fact that the equity
               pipeline is somewhat less reliable, we have witnessed an
               improvement in this measure as well.

               Our pipeline of lead manage filed and yet to be filed
               transaction volumes has jumped 7% this quarter to $6.2 billion
               today. We rank third in terms of filed transactions and IPO's
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               almost 70% of that total, where we ranked fifth. So progress is
               continuing and we continue to grow our market share in equity
               origination.

               In M&A we continue to see a high level of activity among the
               financial sponsors, where we have established significant
               market share. Additionally, corporations continue to be
               extremely interested in divestitures as a means of reducing
               excessive debt levels, cleaning up their balance sheets, and
               streamlining their organizations.

               Industry-wide, we have started to turn the corner with M&A
               announcements finally exceeding completions, thereby allowing
               pipelines to gradually build. This is off a much smaller base
               and realistically it will take a while for the return of the
               strategic buyer. In fact, if we look at M&A activity coming out
               of the last recession, it took approximately nine quarters for
               M&A to reach more normalized volumes relative to GDP. In terms
               of our own outlook, we feel we are extremely well positioned
               for any incremental recoveries in equities and M&A. Let me
               point out that at the top of the cycle, in our peak revenue
               year of 2000, we achieved record revenues in equities and
               investment banking with considerably less market share and
               capacity than we have today.

               Given our outlook for the remainder of 2003 and into 2004, we
               intend to focus on continuing the build-out of our diversified
               business model with a focus on sustainable revenues, and
               closing and successfully integrating Neuberger Berman in order
               to reap the full benefit of its growth potential along with a
               lower revenue volatility and revenue expansion that I described
               earlier.

               We also intend to continue to focus on driving excellent
               creative and tailored solutions to our client complex
               requirements; controlling our expenses; remaining
               conservatively positioned around risk and liquidity; optimizing
               our use of capital, balance sheet, and equity; realizing high
               productivity from all of our people and the appropriate
               efficiencies from our technology investments; gaining
               incremental market share in both investment banking and capital
               markets while focusing our share of wallet from a growing
               client base; and lastly, striving to achieve top of peer group
               financial performance.

               Let me conclude by stating that we are extremely pleased with
               these terrific results. This performance clearly demonstrates
               that we have continued to significantly elevate the earning
               capacity of the firm and are delivering on our key objective to
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               shareholder value in any market environment. Finally, they
               demonstrate that we remain strongly positioned for further
               recovery in the broader markets. Now let's turn it over to
               questions.

Coordinator:   Our first question comes from Guy Moszkowski. Sir, you may ask
               your question.

G. Moszkowski: Thank you. Good morning. Great results. A question for you. You
               talked about M&A coming back slowly in terms of the strategic
               buyer. Can you give us a little bit more color broadly on the
               types of discussions that you're having at least with the
               financial sponsors that you're a little bit more positive on?

D. Goldfarb:   As I mentioned, we finally are seeing announcements starting to
               exceed completions, so there is a gradual build-up. We do think
               it's going to be a little while still until we return to more
               normalized levels. However, in the interim, there certainly are
               certain sectors that have excess capacity in them. These are
               the sectors we all know, like telecom, like technology, like
               energy, and we continue to be very active in those sectors. We
               also, to your point, remain very active with financial
               sponsors. The trend we have seen over the last 18 months there
               is that continually, they're looking to diversify
               geographically as well, and we continue to be very active in
               Europe as well as Asia. We kind of see it in all regions and in
               the sectors that right now have a significant amount of excess
               capacity.

G. Moszkowski: Looking a little more short-term and turning to debt markets,
               you gave, obviously, a very articulate and very bullish outlook
               for the next year or two there, but in terms of the fourth
               quarter, should we expect what has historically been a seasonal
               downturn in that market just given activity patterns of the buy
               side in fixed income, or is there some reason to believe that
               this year that wouldn't materialize?

D. Goldfarb:   I think the fixed income market, what we have seen throughout
               the last two and a half years, has significantly changed in
               scale and scope. The whole ... function that firms like us
               provide has continued to grow. We believe while certain
               products in fixed income will always have their peaks and
               valleys, for instance this past quarter, in June, we had record
               levels of mortgage residential refinancing that started
               trailing off. You can expect to see some slowdown in that area.
               There are quite a few other products, though, which are in
               growth stage. If you do look at asset-backed's, you look at
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               products have actually not been very active and haven't
               participated very actively in the recent low interest rate
               environment. Given the depth and breadth and scale of the
               global fixed income marketplace, we believe it's going to
               remain resilient.

G. Moszkowski: You wouldn't plan for even a seasonal slowdown in the
               fourth quarter at this point?

D. Goldfarb:   There always are certain seasonal slowdowns in certain specific
               products. It's hard to see peak volume recurring every quarter,
               but at the same time we believe we've seen kind of a permanent
               change in shift in the fixed income markets and we believe it's
               going to remain active. Less active than seasonal slowdowns,
               but it's going to be remaining quite active.

G. Moszkowski: That's helpful. Finally, I know this is very small, but you did
               acquire another one of these mortgage originators. I don't know
               if we really understand very much about those. Can you just
               give us a little nutshell comment on what the economics, the
               financial economics are of an acquisition like that?

D. Goldfarb:   Sure. For us, that really is part of a broader plan continuing
               to vertically build out our mortgage business. We have been a
               strong participant and a strong originator of mortgage products
               for years. The strategic rationale for acquiring the platforms
               themselves is to secure the source of supply. It's really that
               simple. These are originators. They originate the mortgages. It
               basically goes through our pipeline. We securitize it and it's
               part of our customer facilitation business in mortgages, which
               has helped us continue to grow market share over time. We
               really are, by purchasing these platforms, just securing
               sources of origination.

               When you think about the economics of that, to us it's really
               in context to our broader mortgage economics, which continue to
               be one of our strong contributors in our fixed income business.

G. Moszkowski: Thanks very much, Dave.

Coordinator:   Henry McVey, you may ask your question.

H. McVey:      Good morning. Just a couple quick questions. On comp and the
               tax rate, if you think about the business model, you've added
               Neuberger, you're going to have Crossroads, you have Aurora,
               you have other mortgage originators. Can you bring the comp
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               down below 51% on a sustainable basis going out to 2004? Also,
               what does that mean for the tax rate in 2004?

D. Goldfarb:   As far as the tax rate, the tax rate for the quarter was
               slightly elevated. As you know, it's the reverse of the
               explanation that I've been giving the last six quarters. As
               pre-tax income changes, the effect of our permanent benefits
               gets diluted or gets accentuated. This quarter we obviously,
               this year, for nine months, have much higher pre-tax income, so
               the benefit from our permanent items, which are really things
               like municipal interest, DRD, become more diluted and therefore
               in and around the earnings that we have reported so far this
               year, we would see our tax rate being in and around 30.5%.
               That's what we're truing up to this quarter.

               Given the overall size of our firm, even with Neuberger and the
               other small acquisitions we've done, pre-tax income drives more
               than those activities. In the range of the economics we're
               reporting today you can expect a tax rate in and around the 30%
               to 31% range.

               From a compensation and benefit perspective we brought our
               compensation and benefit rate down to 50% this quarter, and
               that was really all about, given our results so far through
               nine months, given our anticipation where we believe we'll be
               for the year, given the competitive pressures we have out
               there, and also taking into consideration the fair compensation
               we think we should pay our people, it seems that in and around
               50.5% for this year is what we're going to need to fairly
               compensate our employees who've generated the great economics
               that we're reporting today.

               As we, again, go forward with different platforms, certainly
               you could expect to see some slight decreases from those levels
               as the firms we bring in have a compensation and benefit ratio
               that is slightly less than the 50%-51%.

H. McVey:      Just two other quick questions. One, if you think about the way
               the model is changing, you're starting to vertically integrate
               and that's how you've been using your capital. Do you want to
               digest what you have right now or do you want to continue to
               build out? The skeptical side of me is when you say that we're
               at permanently higher levels on fixed income. How much of that
               is just a function of a steep yield curve and that there are
               just greater volumes out there? We've heard that before on the
               equities side and it ended badly. Can you help me just feel
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D. Goldfarb:   On the strategic question first, we have aggressively, over the
               last couple of years, attempted to build additional scale into
               our business platform. That's partly what has generated the
               economics we've had so far this year. We're very comfortable
               currently with our scale. Once we digest Neuberger and
               successfully integrate that great franchise with our franchise
               we'll be up to around 16,000 employees. With the 16,000
               employees, we think that's in and around the right size for us
               right now.

               Having said that, if a great opportunity shows up, we certainly
               would look at it, but certainly, we're getting more comfortable
               with our relative scaling at around 15,000. As far as the
               vertical integration, again, the couple of platforms that we
               added this year, it's not necessarily end game, but there's not
               a gigantic expansion model being built in there. So we're
               comfortable where we are right now.

               As far as fixed income, when I mentioned before that we think
               we're seeing a permanent change, what I mean is, from my
               earlier comments I made before to Guy, it ... permanently that
               you can always have record volume every quarter. There are
               certain environments in fixed income which will always
               basically lead to more activity in certain products in fixed
               income. However, though, the client base, the investor base at
               both the institutional level and the high net worth level, we
               think the mixed change is a permanent change. Fixed income,
               across cycles, we believe will be a slightly higher percentage
               of the mix than it historically has.

               As far as the steep yield curve, that certainly benefits
               certain products, like short-term funding, repo's, and
               businesses like that, but again, it's not necessarily the sweet
               spot for all the asset classes. We do think that the customer
               volume, the customer requirements, volatility, is really what
               drives this. What we saw this quarter when we had the big
               backup in rates at the end of July, a lot of people weren't
               sure what that would mean in fixed income capital markets. What
               it means is that people, clients, institutions have large fixed
               income portfolios. Overnight, they won't liquidate those
               portfolios. They need to readjust the hedge ratios. They need
               to basically take care of duration risk. The increased
               volatility is going to mean continued people realigning risk,
               aligning up risk appetite, and again, therefore estimates
               continue to lead to increased volume from what we've seen
               historically, but that doesn't mean every quarter peak. It does
               mean a cross-cycle stronger level than we historically have
               thought about.

H. McVey:      Thank you.


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Coordinator:   Ken Worthington, you may ask your question.

K. Worthington:Hi, good morning. Can you update us, broadly speaking, on where
               customer trading activity and volatility in fixed income stands
               today versus average third quarter levels? Which fixed income
               products are the greatest opportunities near-term for you? You
               said CMBS and commercial mortgages haven't really been a factor
               thus far. Are you seeing a pickup in activity in those
               products?

D. Goldfarb:   We're still broadly, when you look at the marketplace, and we
               obviously participate in the marketplace, if you look at
               current activity, overall, fixed income volume flows remain
               strong. Certainly, as I mentioned before, we continue to see a
               pickup in high-yields on both the origination and secondary
               side. CMBS, we did a couple of large deals in the third
               quarter. We still believe that is an asset class that really
               hasn't participated in the overall fixed income uplift that
               we've seen, so we continue to expect to see strong performance
               there. Even with rates going a little bit up, they're still
               pretty low by historical standards. Even though high-grade
               certainly will be off its record levels from both an
               origination and secondary perspective, we still think that
               marketplace will remain quite active as well.

               We still think we're going to see significant activity across
               the broad array of fixed income asset classes and a couple of
               specific asset classes that I mentioned before, we think
               probably will have the greatest growth where we still expect
               strong contribution from the other asset classes as well.

K. Worthington:Where was VAR this quarter versus last quarter in fixed income
               products?

D. Goldfarb:   VAR overall for the firm was around flat. Within fixed income
               it was flat as well.

K. Worthington: Thank you.

Coordinator:   Glen Schorr, you may ask your question.

G. Schorr:     Hi. Thanks. Just one follow-up. Your comments on leverage
               earlier, you remain in the comfort zone but you're at the
               bottom end of the zone when fixed income is running off the
               hook. I'm just curious on how that happens in such a strong
               fixed income quarter and maybe just follow-up thoughts on
               capital use if fixed income ever moderates in our lifetime.


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D. Goldfarb:   As far as the net leverage being approximately 16.8 times,
               certainly that is kind of the lower range of what we have
               reported over the last couple of years. Our balance sheet, I've
               mentioned this three times in the past, is really driven by how
               active our clients are. Certainly in fixed income we did see a
               lot of that activity. As I mentioned in August, we typically
               see a slowdown in equities. That was no different this quarter.
               So even though fixed income remains at the same level, you
               would normally expect to see a trail-off at the end of August
               in some of the equity products.

               Overall, we haven't had a change in strategy of how we use our
               balance sheet. As you remember, net leverage is, on a ratio,
               off of equity base. We've also ... our equity base during the
               quarter. Even though our net leverage is down a little bit, our
               absolute balance sheet level is pretty much around flat.

G. Schorr:     Just a follow-up on the thoughts on the fixed income, if it
               ever moderates off these record highs, which we feel it has to
               at some point. Where does it go? In other words, do you allow
               your leverage ratio to slip down to 14 to 15 times? How does
               that get redeployed? Obviously, you had earlier comments on
               acquisitions, but in other words, are there buy-backs in the
               quarter, are there buy-backs in the future?

D. Goldfarb:   During the quarter we bought back approximately four million
               shares, which is pretty consistent with how we've been handling
               our stock buy-backs for several years right now. Glen, we look
               at our balance sheet and it's really quarter-to-quarter. It's
               going to vary month-to-month. It's going to vary a little bit
               predicated on which asset classes are very, very active. Even
               though the overall pace of activity could slow, we continue to
               increase our market share across a lot of the fixed income
               asset classes.

               Hopefully, as there is a slight drift-off in volume in some
               asset classes, we're hoping that our market share, our client
               activity increases, which more than offsets that. We're
               comfortable with our balance sheet levels right now, we're
               comfortable with our overall leverage ratio right now, and we
               would like to continue to deploy capital to help ... our
               clients activities in a risk mitigation type of way, which is
               the way we run our capital markets business. It's not
               necessarily going to drop off if we do a great job and are more
               relevant to more clients and get a higher share of their
               wallet. Hopefully they'll offset each other.


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G. Schorr:     The last follow-up on the mortgage company commentary, just in
               terms of adding on fixed infrastructure towards the tail end of
               the cycle, obviously the mortgage business is usually scaled
               pretty well towards the end of the cycle. Is that already
               starting in your now vertically integrated operation?

D. Goldfarb:   Yes. It's important as you build up an infrastructure in that
               type of business to keep the expense base as variable as
               possible, which we have done though the core structure of those
               types of entities. Certainly looking at just the refinancing,
               which has just been one indicator, because obviously there's
               new housing and things along those lines, certainly we're off
               the peak of the refinancing index and we would expect to see
               some slowdown there.

               However, again, the purpose of those acquisitions is to try to
               get us to improve overall market share, so hopefully we'll
               continue to get a bigger piece of potentially a slight reducing
               industry volume.

G. Schorr:     Got it. I do appreciate it. Thanks. Great quarter.

Coordinator:   Richard Strauss, you may ask your question.

R. Strauss:    Dave, just a couple of questions, one on your view of interest
               rates. I'm just curious. When was the last time you saw 5% GDP
               growth and close to 4% next year, because I think that's what
               you're looking for, and a sustained 1% Fed funds. I think in
               1994 when GDP crossed 3% and he thought that was going to be
               there on sustained level, that that's really when he made his
               move. What would it take, given these numbers, for you to think
               that he would move sooner than that, the Fed chair?

D. Goldfarb:   It's been an interesting recovery to date as certainly, we've
               seen corporate profitability start to improve, we've seen some
               macro indicators of economic recovery happening. Obviously, we
               know parts of the recovery really haven't participated yet,
               like labor, which is kind of a good thing. We're also starting
               to see the build up of some deficits, which to your point would
               lead to further concerns down the road. We think right now the
               policy is very focused on a real sustainable recovery and we
               think that both monetarily as well as fiscally we're going to
               have favorable activity that is going to contribute to the
               growth. We just think even with it, the overall inflation
               levels, given the fact that labor's still as weak as it is, is
               going to stay in the low 1% to 2% level. As long as that
               happens, there is going to be zero reasons to increase rates.
               We think that rates eventually will start increasing again, and
               certainly some of the deficits and things that are happening
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               build up will contribute to that longer-term, but we do think
               that's more of the year and a half, two years out than we do
               think it's something that's happening right now.

               If there was, all of the sudden, a sudden gigantic recovery in
               labor and it became more global ... the world, we have a
               situation that some of the largest countries in Europe are
               still causing a recession. It ... globally participated in. We
               think it's going to have to be broader contributed, have labor
               and jobs significantly participate in it, and have the growth.
               Our growth will contribute to some importing, which will help
               the exporting countries in Europe. As they start to participate
               in some broader economic growth, we'll have a larger
               participation.

               In the environment we see, as I just outlined and described, we
               think that, again, at the earliest it would be towards the end
               of 2004 until the Fed would seriously consider increasing
               rates. It's a different recovery. It's just a different
               environment than we've seen before.

R. Strauss:    Right. Just a final question, changing gears. It looks like
               your private client margin went up another 100 basis points. I
               think it was up 500 basis points last quarter. You said you
               feel you can get to much higher levels with Neuberger. Are you
               targeting a number? I think it's about 26% right now.

D. Goldfarb:   Yes, it's up slightly versus the trailing quarter and pretty
               much flattish with last year. I think that's being driven by a
               little more equity and a little less fixed income. Certainly,
               as we integrate the Neuberger platform into that, we would
               expect that to go higher. We don't have a specific number in
               mind, but in the high net worth money management platform
               business, definitionally we'll increase that pre-tax margin
               rate.

R. Strauss:    It could be well above 30.

D. Goldfarb:   It should be well above 30.

R. Strauss:    Great. Thanks a lot.

Coordinator:   Daniel Goldberg, you may ask your question.

D. Goldberg    Good morning. Just continuing on the acquisition questions,
               obviously within asset management or client services you're
               going to link in Neuberger and now Crossroads. Can you comment
               there on what other areas you're looking to do within the asset


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               management, more the fee-based revenue, what your strategy is
               there?

D. Goldfarb:   Our strategy remains consistent with what it's been. We're
               trying to grow scale in that business to be akin to the scale
               we have in some of our other businesses in capital markets and
               investment banking. In Neuberger we were looking to build out a
               high net worth platform, looking to build an equity asset
               management platform, and as we've mentioned on this call and I
               mentioned in our conversation we had in July, we think we found
               a great partner and a great mix.

               In Crossroads, different business. We had a private equities
               business, which is in and around $4 billion to $5 billion
               assets under management. We found, in Crossroads, a great
               business platform which basically did a fund-of-funds type of
               business we thought was a natural combination and elevation to
               the business we had there. Again, we love the economics in both
               those because, obviously, it gives us a ... type of revenues,
               we get fees off assets under management. We would like to
               continue to grow scale in that business. We don't have a
               particular growth target. We're comfortable with those
               acquisitions, with the sizing we have. However, we continue to
               look at ways to grow it. If we can find additional
               opportunities which were accretive, we would look at them.
               Right now, our first order of business is to integrate
               successfully with Neuberger, and we're going to take the time
               and effort it takes to do that. As we do that, we'll continue the
               ... of other growth opportunities.

D. Goldberg:   You mentioned in your prepared remarks that Asia had a record
               quarter. We recently saw that you were in the process or you
               had sold your title and operations. I know they're quite small.
               I just wanted to see what the strategy is there and any
               economics you can provide to us with that.

D. Goldfarb:   Asian strategy has been very, very consistent. We have around
               1,100 people in Asia, mostly out of Tokyo. The strategy for us
               has been try not to be all things to all people in all products
               and focus on the areas where we thought we could bring unique
               value through our global strength into the region. We have
               focused largely on restructuring opportunities. We have focused
               on helping financial institutions monetize the less liquid
               assets on their balance sheets, a lot of the NPL issues. We
               continue to leverage off a lot of our structuring and
               securitization and distribution capabilities to help alleviate
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               During the quarter we continued to see activity there. We
               continued to see, as a result of some of the bank reform,
               helping some of those institutions monetize their balance sheet
               or mitigate their risk. It's a great business for us. It's
               client advisory type of business for us. ... this quarter,
               which is the one change we've seen, is obviously with a very
               robust equity market. The equity market was robust not only as
               far as return, and the ... was up over 20%, but the volume
               itself was up over 50% during the quarter. Certainly, we were
               able to take advantage of all that activity and all that flow
               and increase our client activities around our equity
               businesses.

               A lot of our businesses in Asia talk to helping rehabilitate,
               restructure balance sheets, help to advise on sales of
               cross-holdings and activities along those lines. Again, it
               continues to be very consistent with what it's been for the
               last several years. Certainly, this time in the market we just
               had a combination of equities being strong as well. So we
               continue to broaden out. We've had some key hires, as I
               mentioned before, in Asia. We hired a new head of Asia equity
               business, again, last year. As I mentioned before, we hired
               somebody in equity business this year. Our franchise continues
               to grow and we continue to get more relevant to more clients.

D. Goldberg:   Finally, you talked about efficiencies from technology
               investments. What's the latest on that front?

D. Goldfarb:   It's an every day 24/7 activity. Certainly, we've invested in
               technology. We've built out trading platforms. We basically
               have continued to improve a lot of the technology around the
               infrastructure of the firm. We've continued to improve the
               technology around a lot of the processes around the firm. As we
               do that, we look to make sure the firm is more efficient, and
               that's one of the reasons why we have pre-tax margins of 32%
               for the quarter. We're continuing to be more efficient. We're
               looking at ways to potentially continue to outsource some
               functions that people could potentially do more efficiently
               than we could do in house. I think it's just something, as part
               of our culture, they're always looking to operate our existing
               businesses as efficiently as possible. So it's an ongoing
               activity; it's not a project. It's just something we do all the
               time.

D. Goldberg:   Thank you.

Coordinator:   At this time I'm showing no further questions.


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D. Goldfarb:   I know everybody has a busy day today with a couple of our
               competitors on at 10:00 and 11:00, so thank you for staying
               with us. Again, we're very pleased with the quarter. The best
               news about the quarter are not the absolute results we're
               reporting today, it's the continued trend as we continue to
               build our earning capacity as we go forward. We think we are
               extremely well positioned to continue to take advantage of the
               growth in our franchise in the coming quarters and years. Have
               a very pleasant day.